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nixon's not going to get his makeup on until jack kennedy says. i said, it looks like a mexican standoff. that's how it happened. when he got kennedy alone in his green room, wilson put makeup on him. nixon's guy ran down and got a product known as lazy shave, known as beard stick. he called frank stanton head of cbs news into the control room to see the stark disappearance of the candidates. he called ted rogers and said he was satisfied the way nixon looked. that's not the way the rest of the country saw it, when nixon started sweating through that beard stick. the next venue was nbc studios where we produce "hardball." wilson arrived with the kennedy brothers to figure out something was up. someone set the temperature to freezing. felt like a meat locker. jack said, what the hell is this? wilson remembers racing down to the basement looking for the air conditioning unit. there was a guy standing there that ted rogers put there for nixon and he said, don't let anybody change this pip said, get out of the way or i'm going to call the police. he i
nixon's not going to get his makeup on until jack kennedy says. i said, it looks like a mexican standoff. that's how it happened. when he got kennedy alone in his green room, wilson put makeup on him. nixon's guy ran down and got a product known as lazy shave, known as beard stick. he called frank stanton head of cbs news into the control room to see the stark disappearance of the candidates. he called ted rogers and said he was satisfied the way nixon looked. that's not the way the rest of the...
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. >> richard nixon tried it and richard nixon got blown away. anyway, the president seeped to have regained a bit of a his fighting spirit today. good for him. here he was at a campaign event right there in denver. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to favor the wealthy. the fellow on stage said last night he didn't know anything about that. governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. >> the trouble is 58 million people were just told by niel n nielsen, 58 million, the preliminary estimate watched last night, that was an audience we'll probably never see again, and he now -- >> and probably 2 million, chris, 2 million will see what he said today. can you imagine if he had said on stage last night and said, hey, who is this fellow i'm debating? it can't be mitt r
. >> richard nixon tried it and richard nixon got blown away. anyway, the president seeped to have regained a bit of a his fighting spirit today. good for him. here he was at a campaign event right there in denver. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to favor the wealthy....
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dick nixon to be on any particular day. he wants the support of the tea party crowd. he needs them, john and mark, but he would never be a tea party person. he wouldn't show up at a yahoo kindf politics we don't like government. he's not been a life long foreign policy hawk, b he nts e suort heeoco community out there. he wants people who are hawkish. he's not a member ofhe religious right. he doesn't run around liberty university or hang around with jerry falwell, but he wants their support. he's not really a ryan republican ideologue conction politici, buhe p himn thck isn't that the fundamental problem with the guy? he wants to date these people through the election. he wants their support, but he doesn't want to be one of them. he doesn't want to marry them. is that true? >> yes. look, chris, thi he'a person who is fundamentally ill suited to being the republican nominee given what the republican party currently is. and you could say that on a bunch of different levels. it's an evangelical party and it's a southern and
dick nixon to be on any particular day. he wants the support of the tea party crowd. he needs them, john and mark, but he would never be a tea party person. he wouldn't show up at a yahoo kindf politics we don't like government. he's not been a life long foreign policy hawk, b he nts e suort heeoco community out there. he wants people who are hawkish. he's not a member ofhe religious right. he doesn't run around liberty university or hang around with jerry falwell, but he wants their support....
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and nixon's image as a loser was driven home by questions like this. >> president eisenhower's asked to give one example of a major idea of yours that he adopted. his reply was, and i'm quoting, if you give me a week, i might think of one, i don't remember. >> i would suggest that if you know the president, that was probably a facetious remark. president president has asked for my advice. i have given it. sometimes my advice has been taken. sometimes it has not. chris: the second time a debate turned things around was ronald reagan's direct appeal to voters in his first and only faceoff with president jimmy carter. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? do you feel that our security is as safe? that we're as strong as we were four years ago? chris: after that, the next day's "new york times" told the story of how critical that became. the are you better off question took hold. the third time a debate turned the race around was this first debate between vice president al gore and george w.
and nixon's image as a loser was driven home by questions like this. >> president eisenhower's asked to give one example of a major idea of yours that he adopted. his reply was, and i'm quoting, if you give me a week, i might think of one, i don't remember. >> i would suggest that if you know the president, that was probably a facetious remark. president president has asked for my advice. i have given it. sometimes my advice has been taken. sometimes it has not. chris: the second...
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. >> in 1960 it happened to kennedy/nixon. >> i made a bet kennedy would win and i got $5 out of it. >> the rest of us got a tradition, an evolving tradition praised and criticized over the last 52 years. >> what about you? do you think debates are good now or bad? >> i don't know. we'll see wednesday. >> i guess we will. mr. kahn is a good reminder to all of us that often the americans who make democracy better are the americans who don't take democracy for granted. anita? >> exactly, gary. be sure to join us wednesday night beginning at 9:00 p.m. on our website. we're going to be streaming the debate and fact checking it live to see what the candidates say. also join us for the wrap-up of the debate at 11:00. of course, you can watch it here on wusa at 9:00. >>> tonight at 11:00, american university students being warned about a man fondling women near campus. in the last week this happened four times. all of the incidents happening in the 4200 block of massachusetts avenue between the berkshire apartments and the ward circle building. the description of the suspect we have is stil
. >> in 1960 it happened to kennedy/nixon. >> i made a bet kennedy would win and i got $5 out of it. >> the rest of us got a tradition, an evolving tradition praised and criticized over the last 52 years. >> what about you? do you think debates are good now or bad? >> i don't know. we'll see wednesday. >> i guess we will. mr. kahn is a good reminder to all of us that often the americans who make democracy better are the americans who don't take democracy for...
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he's got, and then, again, look at how all of the debates were won and lost all the way going back to nixon and kennedy. often, it was a really good one liner that summedded up someone or it was a good rebuttal, and often, it was a gaffe. neil: do you think they change the outcome, though? i mean, if you look back at 1980, you could argue the momentum was beginning to go in ronald reagan's favor. you can argue in 1960, though the race was tight, people were open to a challenger. you're smarter than i'll ever be, pat, but does it change the outcome or confirm a trend? >> i think the 1980 debate did not change the outcome, but i think it -- reagan won. he was moving ahead. i think that's why carter wanted to debate, but that gave him a 10-point victory. i think that the
he's got, and then, again, look at how all of the debates were won and lost all the way going back to nixon and kennedy. often, it was a really good one liner that summedded up someone or it was a good rebuttal, and often, it was a gaffe. neil: do you think they change the outcome, though? i mean, if you look back at 1980, you could argue the momentum was beginning to go in ronald reagan's favor. you can argue in 1960, though the race was tight, people were open to a challenger. you're smarter...
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that ted rogers put there for nixon and he said, don't let anybody change this. i said, get out of the way or i'm going to call the police. he immediately left and i changed the air conditioning back to normal. wilson understand the game and how it was going to be played. the candidates had their jobs to do, so did their handlers. he said his opponent, he said, he wanted to keep his job because of the screw-up that happened in the first debate. this is what goes on in politics. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. >>> tomorrow i'll be in denver. we'll have live editions of "hardball" at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern. and complete coverage of the debate with my msnbc colleagues at 8:00. "the ed show" starts right now. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show." 25 hours before the first presidential debate and 35 days until the 2012 election. mitt romney and paul ryan are scrambling. robert gibbs is here tonight to respond. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> you can use your charitable deduction or home mortgage deduction and can fill
that ted rogers put there for nixon and he said, don't let anybody change this. i said, get out of the way or i'm going to call the police. he immediately left and i changed the air conditioning back to normal. wilson understand the game and how it was going to be played. the candidates had their jobs to do, so did their handlers. he said his opponent, he said, he wanted to keep his job because of the screw-up that happened in the first debate. this is what goes on in politics. that's...
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it's richard nixon. in 1973 he appointed henry kissinger secretary of state, the first jewish person to hold that post and serve as secretary of state andsimultaneously. if you've got a good trivia suggestion, i'm us. we'll atone for not using it if we don't. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t. the nation's largest 4g network. now covering 3000 more 4g cities and towns than verizon. at&t. rethink possible. now covering 3000 more 4g cities and towns than verizon. sleep train's inveis ending soon. sale save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. get 2 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. even get free delivery! sleep train stacks the savings high to keep the prices low. but hurry, the inventory clearance sale is ending soon. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> this is a guy i know who cares. he cares 100%. you don't like him being misinterprete
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they have since the 1960 kennedy/nixon debate. it became a televised event. richard nixon won if you listened on radio, but if you saw the body language on tv, it was kennedy who won. there was a period of time there were no presidential debates. 1964, '68, '72, none. but back in 1976 these debates came on again. they can be game changers. 1980, ronald reagan was where romney was, behind in the polls. reagan came on and took on an incumbent president, jim cia why ther, performed well in the debates and the rest is history. it started him on his way to a landslide victory in 1980. >> do you think debates actually help voters decide which person to back if they're on the fence as to which direction to go? >> i think they make a difference, particularly for mitt romney. look, barack obama, whether you love him or dislike him, think he's a great leader or think he's failed, we kind of know what he's going to be like as president. we've had him for 3 1/2 years. mitt romney is still an open book. people have to say, do i want to live with this guy every day? is he
they have since the 1960 kennedy/nixon debate. it became a televised event. richard nixon won if you listened on radio, but if you saw the body language on tv, it was kennedy who won. there was a period of time there were no presidential debates. 1964, '68, '72, none. but back in 1976 these debates came on again. they can be game changers. 1980, ronald reagan was where romney was, behind in the polls. reagan came on and took on an incumbent president, jim cia why ther, performed well in the...
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dwight eisenhower, 4.1%, richard nixon, 5.6%. ron aeld reagan, 7.5%. and bill clinton, 5.1%. second george bush, 5.4%. and then look at barack obama down here. 8.1%. a whopping number for any president to carry into a re-election campaign. barack obama made history when he got elected the first time. if he gets re-elected, that will also be historic, because no president has done it since franklin roosevelt in the fading days of the great depression. >> a new jobs report coming out friday morning for the month of september. we'll see what those numbers are, what impact it winds up having. anderson, back to you. >> thank you, wolf. and the hologram, tom foreman. david, to your point, presidents in the past who had a bad first debate performance came back strong, how do they retool? do they practice more? >> the most famous case, president reagan in 1984, lost the first debate, people thought he was senile, that he didn't care, he came back. nobody is more competitive than president obama. he will be back in the room, saying, guys, we're not doing this again. >> the question, w
dwight eisenhower, 4.1%, richard nixon, 5.6%. ron aeld reagan, 7.5%. and bill clinton, 5.1%. second george bush, 5.4%. and then look at barack obama down here. 8.1%. a whopping number for any president to carry into a re-election campaign. barack obama made history when he got elected the first time. if he gets re-elected, that will also be historic, because no president has done it since franklin roosevelt in the fading days of the great depression. >> a new jobs report coming out friday...
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dwight eisenhower. 4.1% and nixon 5.6 considered huge at that time. bill clinton, 5.1 and second gush 5.4 and barack obama whopping 8.1% unemployment. august numbers for all of these president before they were ree lebted. very difficult for any president to carry a weight like that into a re-election campaign when barack obama was elected the first time it was historic. if he is elected again it will also be historic because no president has been reelected with that kind of number since franklin roosevelt. the waning days of the great depression. i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. these appliances could have been made here in america. but a company called global tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing... under sweatshop conditions in china. when mitt romney led bain, they saw global tech as a good investment... even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting... low-wage labor to its investors. mitt romney - tough on china? since when? statistics and studies and numbers and facts thrown out last night in a
dwight eisenhower. 4.1% and nixon 5.6 considered huge at that time. bill clinton, 5.1 and second gush 5.4 and barack obama whopping 8.1% unemployment. august numbers for all of these president before they were ree lebted. very difficult for any president to carry a weight like that into a re-election campaign when barack obama was elected the first time it was historic. if he is elected again it will also be historic because no president has been reelected with that kind of number since...
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the first was 1960 with kennedy/nixon. mitt romney and barack obama will be live from denver. it is serious business, but there are also two games being played here. there's the expectations game the two campaigns have been playing. then there's the game of dodge ball. that's what we're talking about this morning. joining me now live is todd rogers. he's an assistant professor at harvard's kennedy school. thank you very much for joining us. >> hi, gary. thanks for having me. >> the artful dodge. what is that all about? >> so with a collaborator here at harvard, we've been doing psychological experiments to understand how its they politicians manage to evade questions without being detected so we've run a series of these experiments where viewers are randomly assigned to one of three conditions. in one condition they watch a video where a moderator asks a question that say as what will you do about the universal health care problem in the world. the politician said, i'll glad you asked me that. we need universal health care. we then splice out the question, have the moderator a
the first was 1960 with kennedy/nixon. mitt romney and barack obama will be live from denver. it is serious business, but there are also two games being played here. there's the expectations game the two campaigns have been playing. then there's the game of dodge ball. that's what we're talking about this morning. joining me now live is todd rogers. he's an assistant professor at harvard's kennedy school. thank you very much for joining us. >> hi, gary. thanks for having me. >> the...
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points and debates have not been so decisive except when the races are very already tight, kennedy/nixon, gore/bush, but we may well see the narrative of a 1% romney which we've seen reinforcing the 47%. video and that -- and out of touch with not only his own being who he was, but with ordinary voters, average people in this country. >> i'm -- i'm eager to see how romney deals with follow-up questions. ryan's stuff the contention i don't have enough time, what i'm trying to basically tear apart the american social compact, you know, in some -- if you interpret it in one way but massively overhaul this nation's sort of tax plan, but i don't have time to get into the details, president obama's going to press him on this. >> well, right. well, one, you a situation where, you know, mitt romney apparently has all these memorized zingers that he's going to unleash on the president tomorrow, but then, what you don't hear folks talk about is, once the zinger has been thrown out there, then what? so he lays out and says energy independence, well when the follow-up question comes, what's the ther
points and debates have not been so decisive except when the races are very already tight, kennedy/nixon, gore/bush, but we may well see the narrative of a 1% romney which we've seen reinforcing the 47%. video and that -- and out of touch with not only his own being who he was, but with ordinary voters, average people in this country. >> i'm -- i'm eager to see how romney deals with follow-up questions. ryan's stuff the contention i don't have enough time, what i'm trying to basically...
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let me talk about the situation with richard nixon in 1969. when the break-in occurred in 1972 he was accused of not telling the truth about what he learned when his campaign broke in and put a bug on the phone of the democratic national chairman. that is the issue which he was impeached. what has happened the truth has not been told to the american people about what happened in libya and murder of an american ambassador. cbs had the lead last night. take a look at the front page of "new york times" talked about f.b.i. agents into benghazi. you have a horrendous scandal and cover-up unfolding right now. >> it's inexplicable to me as i said yesterday in watergate it was a scandal but nobody died. we have a dead ambassador and three other brave americans who lost their lives. i think the american people deserve an answer. yet we're talking about why mitt romney's campaign is struggling whether it is or isn't. it seems like, is there in your mind an unprecedented level of attempt to influence the selection for barack obama? >> i have never seen t
let me talk about the situation with richard nixon in 1969. when the break-in occurred in 1972 he was accused of not telling the truth about what he learned when his campaign broke in and put a bug on the phone of the democratic national chairman. that is the issue which he was impeached. what has happened the truth has not been told to the american people about what happened in libya and murder of an american ambassador. cbs had the lead last night. take a look at the front page of "new...
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the real director of the nixon library was richard nixon. he designed and oversaw it and every detail was of interest to him. but probably the thing he was least interested in was a room which is even here anymore, the domestic policy room which has been redone. the league kind of such a together at the last minute. one of those exhibits was about the endangered species act. president nixon as you may or may not know, greatest of a terminal president in the history of the united states son and heir the clean water act, clean air act and the endangered species act. i have been an environmental lawyer. the endangered species act and the clean water act. and even then after couple of years of practice in the area of endangered species i knew it was as cruel plot. terrible. doesn't work. costs an enormous amount of money, destroys life, opportunities, seizes property. i said to him back in new jersey one day, what were you thinking when you signed this document and he said, it seemed like a good idea at the time. that was the full extent of pres
the real director of the nixon library was richard nixon. he designed and oversaw it and every detail was of interest to him. but probably the thing he was least interested in was a room which is even here anymore, the domestic policy room which has been redone. the league kind of such a together at the last minute. one of those exhibits was about the endangered species act. president nixon as you may or may not know, greatest of a terminal president in the history of the united states son and...
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obamacare which romney is trashing was originally romney care and before that it was nixon care of this was the program that richard nixon proposed to the united states back in one thousand nine hundred seventy two and the day you know teddy kennedy made the decision that he was going to go head to head with richard nixon on that it was going to be single payer or nothing and we ended up with nothing and you know from everything i've read teddy kennedy regretted that for a lot of years. it's you know for for romney to be going off on this and for his campaign for that matter to be saying that they're opposed to national health care programs in the united states when that's what he did in massachusetts and that's what he said repeatedly should be done nationwide and now he's trying to take it back in history and say oh no no i mean just at the state level quite quickly it just makes no sense that's it for my take your take my take tonight now an exciting announcement tomorrow will be debuting a new segment your take my take law of where you will have the opportunity to call into the big
obamacare which romney is trashing was originally romney care and before that it was nixon care of this was the program that richard nixon proposed to the united states back in one thousand nine hundred seventy two and the day you know teddy kennedy made the decision that he was going to go head to head with richard nixon on that it was going to be single payer or nothing and we ended up with nothing and you know from everything i've read teddy kennedy regretted that for a lot of years. it's...
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kennedy and then richard nixon. >>> as w rorted thekeye ate batones today. both mitt romney and president obama in that crucial battleground state. here's romney moments ago ins we terville, ohio, where he wrapped up an event with golfing legend jack nicklaus. >> after the debates and the campaigns and all the ads are overepl in ohio are going to say loud and clear on november 6th, we can't do four more years. we must do better. good morning, all. >> good morning, chuck. >> let's start where where things stand in ohio. we have a whole bunch of polls. saw new york times, quinnipiac polls. they show giant leads, eye-popping if you wi. the esidt teoi u , points up in florida, 12 in pennsylvania. i don't know why they have pennsylvania. i think we've all moved it off e battleground. susan page, cat leads but we can't debate who's leading. >> in ohio it seems clear that this is a state that's becoming really tough for mitt romney to win and i think they are looking at alternative paths to get to those 270 electoral votes including campaigning more seriouslin wcon
kennedy and then richard nixon. >>> as w rorted thekeye ate batones today. both mitt romney and president obama in that crucial battleground state. here's romney moments ago ins we terville, ohio, where he wrapped up an event with golfing legend jack nicklaus. >> after the debates and the campaigns and all the ads are overepl in ohio are going to say loud and clear on november 6th, we can't do four more years. we must do better. good morning, all. >> good morning, chuck....
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president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the vote. i'm not interested in your half, or in this case, 70% he's giving away. >> that's right. i have never heard such language. i think it will allow obama to extend the 47% argument to not only ryan but to the entire republican party. he can say, this is a party that slices and dices the american public. in some ways i think this argument about 30% of the people being lazy, 47% of the people being lazy, goes against the idea of american exceptionalism. how can america be that exceptional if 50% of the country is lazy? we know that's not true. america is an exceptional country. you'll see both romney and ryan struggle with this and have something to answer to tonight on stage and then when ryan takes the stage ultimately next week. but i do think ryan and biden do have something that neither of the principles have. that is, they speak from their gut. they speak from their hearts. and i th
president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the vote. i'm not interested in your half, or in this case, 70% he's giving away. >> that's right. i have never heard such language. i think it will allow obama to extend the 47% argument to not only ryan but to the entire republican party. he can say, this is a party that slices and dices...
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kennedy and richard nixon squared off in the very first televised debate. while nixon was known for being a fierce debater on camera he looked nervous, sweating profusely under the hot camera lights, whereas kennedy looked calm, cool, collected. forces those that watched the debate, kennedy was the winner, but for those who listened to the debate on radio, they thought nixon won. in the end it was kennedy who won the presidential race. well, of course, humor can also have an affect on the debates. 1908 ronald reagan repeatedly attacked by president jimmy carter for his stance on health care, but reagan won fans with his response. check it out. >> governor reagan, again, typically is against such a proposal. >> governor, there you go again. >> all right. want to bring in presidential historian douglas brinkley. good to see you, as always. let's just start by seeing that moment. how significant was that between carter and reagan? >> oh, it was big. if you go back to 1980, you have jimmy carter, the sitting president, but he had double digit inflation, long ga
kennedy and richard nixon squared off in the very first televised debate. while nixon was known for being a fierce debater on camera he looked nervous, sweating profusely under the hot camera lights, whereas kennedy looked calm, cool, collected. forces those that watched the debate, kennedy was the winner, but for those who listened to the debate on radio, they thought nixon won. in the end it was kennedy who won the presidential race. well, of course, humor can also have an affect on the...
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nixon, just out of the hospital, pale and refusing professional makeup. lighting counts, too. in 1984, reagan's people fussed more over his man mondale did over his and reagan always had a glass of wine just before going on to get the rosy cheeks. lesson four. real debating? so far, after 52 years, not actually required here, so, relax. learn your lines and don't speak in a look at your wristwatch because that will definitely hurt you. besides, 90 minutes and you're done. possibly for good. john donvan, abc news, washington. >> we're so glad you were watching. you may have noticed some differences here in our studio. let us hear from you at abcnews.com. and, of course, "nightline" will be along later. as we leave you tonight, with a look at the white house, aglow in pink in honor of breast cancer awareness month. we'll see you again tomorrow. until then, good night.
nixon, just out of the hospital, pale and refusing professional makeup. lighting counts, too. in 1984, reagan's people fussed more over his man mondale did over his and reagan always had a glass of wine just before going on to get the rosy cheeks. lesson four. real debating? so far, after 52 years, not actually required here, so, relax. learn your lines and don't speak in a look at your wristwatch because that will definitely hurt you. besides, 90 minutes and you're done. possibly for good....
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jfk did since nixon just got out of the hospital. number one. i have as much experience as jack kennedy did. >> i served with jack kennedy. he was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. [cheers and applause] gerri: the offer quoted exchange he much waited for kennedy name to come up. i will rehearse line. those who have forgotten about obamacare the fiercest opponent florida attorney general will join me next. ♪ you see us, at the start of the day. on tyou see us bank onist that's abusier highways.r. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so companies and communities can expand, grow stronger and get back to work. everyday you see all of us serving you, around the country, around the corner. us bank. gerri: two hours and counting until the presidential debate. the key issue is obamacare romney says he will repeal and replace his first day in office. florida attorney general pam bondi. you have been the most effective voice to call for the repeal. what do
jfk did since nixon just got out of the hospital. number one. i have as much experience as jack kennedy did. >> i served with jack kennedy. he was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. [cheers and applause] gerri: the offer quoted exchange he much waited for kennedy name to come up. i will rehearse line. those who have forgotten about obamacare the fiercest opponent florida attorney general will join me next. ♪ you see us, at the start of the day. on tyou see us bank onist...